Friday, November 18, 2016

We Don't Need No Education!

Quotes about Education

Another Brick in the Wall


Watch the video from Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall", then choose a quote from the list. Once a quote has been chosen, it is no longer available, so first come, first serve.

 Relate the quote to the video and or song lyrics in some way. Consider that I am providing you with two resources, a quote and a song/video about the topic of education.

Talk about the topic of education. What do you think about it?  Talk about education as a philosophy, or a practice, or a responsibility or ????????

When you respond to a classmates blog, do not comment on whether or not you like it. Rather comment on how you might challenge it or validate it with another point.

I am looking for posts that are full of thought about the topic. Perhaps you chose a quote that contradicts the lyrics or the video. On the other hand, perhaps you found a quote that drives home an important point brought up in the lyrics or video.

Most of all, I want you to think, deeply about the topic. You may also pull in any thoughts from pieces we have read in this unit.

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  1. I have been going to school for twelve years, from kindergarten to my junior year of high school and yet I do not feel as though it is purposely teaching me the right things in the classroom. I guess you could say my life can be divided into two parts: school and summer. The thing that seems to differentiate the two is how and what I am being taught at that particular point in time. I have learned ample amounts of information in the classroom, but school has taught me a great amount of things that it did not intentionally do. An example is that it has taught me that not all people are going to take time to understand you, they are going to judge you based on what they know, and that it is unavoidable. The class room is to focused on standards and innovation, that it forgets that some students are not interested in being shaped by a teacher who does not know anything about them. Henry David once said, "What does education often do? It makes a straight-cut ditch of a free, meandering brook." I think that this is an accurate representation of the American school system. The problem is that each student sitting in the classroom has a different path that they want to follow and rerouting all of them down the same path is not letting them live to their full potential. Pink Floyd's song says, "it's just another brick in the wall." When he says "it's" he is talking about students. This phrase relates back to what David said about education. The teachers are forming "bricks" by using a uniformed mold to educate their students and what do you do with a broken brick? You throw it away and continue on. You cannot expect a person to be forced to fit into a cookie cutter mold and come away from the situation unharmed. Although I hope no teachers imagine their students going through a meat grinder, I think that far to many try to shape us into bricks, but we are not concrete. There are an infinite number of things we can be and forcing us into little molds will make us conform to social norms is hindering our growth. We need to be taught to embrace our differences. Teachers have a job that gives them a students initial trust, and I think that is how they are getting us to change. This relationship should be one that encourages us to become doctors, lawyers, or ditch diggers, not tell us what not to do and then give no guidance to what they think we could do to be successful. Why are students being told not to peruse their dreams just because "they can do better"? I think that the way we are being educated in schools today is a bit of a problem. I am living proof that you can make it to your junior year of high school and not know the multiplication tables or prepositions by heart. I can also say that I can not spell most words that are not used everyday without using a outside resource and I cannot recall how to play any note on the recorder, even if my life depended on it. So, why did all of these things seem like they were life or death concepts? So what is education? Well I do not think that it is a matter of life or death, in fact, I think that sometimes the quality of life and education may be inversely proportional. The more of an education you have the more you realize how messed up this world can be. Success in the classroom does not mean success in life, but, at the same time, failure in the classroom does not mean failure at life. We do need an education, and we do need guidance, but we don't need no thought control.

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    2. Hannah, you mentioned some great ideas in this blog. Reading your blog, I had a few thoughts, but the one that popped out to me the most was when you mentioned that everyone has a different path to take, but schools try to make everyone follow the same, straight path. My question is, is there even a way that the education system could please everyone? Yes, it is incorrect to try to force someone down a certain path, but can there be a way for a school to please the individual minds of everyone? We don't need no thought control, but how can we be taught anything by any one person if there is no pattern at all to how our brains work?

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    3. Hannah you had a very informal blog this week. When you said that teachers have a job that gives them a students initial trust, it really made me think. What if a student didn't trust their teacher? Would they be recieveing the best education that they could be if they don't even trust their teacher? I feel like it would be hard to have a good relationship with your teacher if you don't mentally trust them. Also when you ask the question "what is education" I through to myself. Do I even know what the answer to that question is? When I continued reading what your response to that question was I figured out what my answer would be. Education is something that we need too to guide us through life, and without it where would most people be today?

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  2. The song "Another Brick in The Wall" by Pink Floyd carries a moral that relates to the obstacles of getting an education with the stress of the environment. Education is an essential part of today's modern world. Without learning the basic school standards it is almost guaranteed that there will be a struggle to keep up with the rest of society. John Dewey once stated, "Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself". Yes, education is an extremely vital tool for life, but education really is all of what you make of it. Everyone takes on a different experience of learning. This means that everyone picks up their own habits of learning. They consume what they want and disregard whatever they find irrelevant to their own being. Some may even say that learning is just a waste of time and they could care less about the education they receive. This is not the way we should view what we are being offered. Education is a wonderful gift to this world and for all the people living in it. It is our duty to push the limits of education and strive to grabs the best knowledge we possibly can. "Another Brick in The Wall" explains how education is being forced into the hands of unworthy teachers. Teachers who are failing at allowing their students to grow in an education of their own. Learning in these ways can become difficult if being taught at a uniform standard. This standard does not work for that everyone is completely different and needs to have their own adjustments of schooling. Forcing kids into an education that does not suit their needs will lead them into a great deal of lost learning. Education is life as well as a living, breathing entity that is always changing. This is why it is so important to be developed into a well educated being. Make the best out of every learning opportunity there is as the challenges are worth the knowledge. Failing to gain these skills will cause much pain and suffering in the real world.

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    1. Great ideas In this blog! I suggest that maybe you could have developed more on the idea of why it is our duty to educate ourselves as much as possible and push the limits of education. This would give the blog more background information. I also think you could have maybe given some examples of how teachers force kids into a certain education and how the teachers could try to change this in the future.

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  3. "The aim of education should be to teach us rather how to think, than what to think — rather to improve our minds, so as to enable us to think for ourselves, than to load the memory with thoughts of other men." This is a quote by Bill Beattie that is very relevant to the topic of the song "Another Brick in the Wall" by Pink Floyd. This song and the video to it gives me the message that students are tired of being told how to do something a certain way and only a certain way. Students feel as though in education systems, their minds are not being developed for the better, but rather being dulled of creativity as they are forced to think certain things in certain ways. This is shown directly in the song when the singer(s) say "We don't need no thought control." It is also shown indirectly in the video for the song when the student is humiliated by the teacher for attempting to write poetry. The teacher is trying to get that boy and the rest of the class to think that poetry is a frivolous matter, as he reads it aloud as if it is a joke and expects the class to laugh.
    At the time when this song was written, in 1979, this situation of teachers forcing students what to think about was probably very common. Through the years, it has seemed as though this situation has been lessened within our school systems, but has it really? Teachers are no longer allowed to directly humiliate a child on his thoughts or his actions, but there are other ways of directing a child's thoughts to mimic those of oneself. Teachers, in this day in age, can still direct ones thoughts to a certain way in their teaching styles and their grading styles. With the way the education system works, a teacher may grade a student according to what they believe is right or is wrong. This allows teachers, especially teachers in the subject of English, to develop a preference of styles and grade better for those few students who abide by their preference. I mention an English teacher because of writing styles. Each individual person has a unique writing style. English teachers, or any teachers for that matter, tend to form a preference on writing styles, and will give grades based upon those preferences. Students who write the way the teacher likes will receive a good grade, yet those who do not will often receive a poor grade. This is just one way that teachers are forcing students into a certain way of mind. Students who have a different writing style will try to abide by the teachers preferences, causing them to hold back their creativity.
    As said in the song, the education systems do make us no more than "Another Brick in the Wall." They indirectly force students to think a certain way and do things a certain way, forcing them to hide their creative thoughts with the idea that they are incorrect. This creates a uniform way of thinking in every student, making them no different from one another as one brick in a wall is no different from the one beside it

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    1. Emily, you had some great spots in your blog that really made me stop and think. When you stated that this song and the quote gave you the vibe that students are tired of being told how to do something a certain way and only a certain way I couldn't agree with you more. When you started talking about English teachers giving grades out based on what their preferences are on styles of writing I feel that you are exactly right. If student writes something that is very good, but it wouldn't be the way that the teacher likes it they are going to give that student a bad grade, even though the writing was extremely good. That is how some teachers work and I don't agree with that at all.

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    2. In the middle of your blog, you say "teachers are no longer allowed to directly humiliate a child on his thoughts or his actions." Maybe there is a rule hidden somewhere that says this, but after going to school and being around teachers, I do not think that there are any consequences with breaking this rule. I do think that some teachers can be biased in grading, but I think that in high school it is dramatically better than the horror of middle school English.

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  4. Pink Flyod's song "Another Brick in The Wall" shows how getting a certain type of education can be extremely difficult depending on what conditions you are in. Getting an education is something that everyone must do to get somewhere in life. If you plan of having a good future a head of you, with a good paying job and money to feed your family with, you better have an education. Without an education you can barley get anywhere. Richard Yates once said "They say that we are better educated than our parents' generation. What they mean is that we go to school longer. It is not the same thing." The real question is, are we better education and our parents did? I think the answer to that question is yes, only because times have changed dramatically since back then. I believe that they have changed for the better. Many people would disagree with me on that statement, but everyone has a different opinion. Just like everyone learns in a different way, so some parents could be extremely smart from school, just like some people are very smart from everything they are learning in this day and age. Education should be something that everyone should take advantage of if they have the opportunity too, which most people do. This song "Another Brick in The Wall" is trying to tell us that education is being put on the hand of the wrong types of teachers. Teachers are not allowing students to do what they need to do to succeed. I believe that students need free space to process how they feel they can learn the best. Teachers are becoming too strict on certain educations and it doesn't suit every students needs, and this turns into a whole big mess. It turns into a loss of good eduction. Although you should always try to do your best when learning something different, or something you are not comfortable with, teachers need to understand that education is a way of life. Everyone needs it, and everyone has to have it whether they life it or not. If a kid fails to have the education that they need parents are setting them up for a failure at life in the real world. So I feel like parents need to take a look at how much times have changed since they were in school, and set their child up for success rather than failure. I believe that school is both a practice and a responsibility. It is a practice because we have to go everyday, and pretty much make it a routine in our daily lives. I could also consider it a responsibility for the same reasons because it is my responsibility that I go to school everyday, and make sure that I get there in time, and that I do get all of my homework done. It is my responsibility to do everything whether I like it or not. That can be both a good or a bad thing. The teacher has the most direct impact on a child’s success in the classroom. The teacher holds in their very own hand either the success or the failure of a child's future.

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    1. Education is a necessity in our world today. Through education many people have come to be successful and have been able to help others. I think of Ben Carson when reading your blog because his mom knew that education would help him succeed in life and through education he was able to help save many lives. This shows that parents should be setting up their children with and education that would be right for them.

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    2. While I wouldn't necessarily say the teacher determines the entirety of a child's success, I do believe that they are one of the key nurturers in young people. Without teachers where would we be? We must accept that in order to be successful, we have to seek out information from people outside of our family group. In a sense, an education becomes part of your extended family over time. You'll never forget the first time you had an "oh yeah" moment, nor who encouraged you to get to that point.

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    3. First off, I enjoyed your blog. However, I tend to disagree with your argument that students of this time are better taught than in previous years. I'll back it up with the very quote I used in my blog. "The one real object of education is to have a man in the condition of continually asking questions." This is what separates today and back then. I feel like people of that time were less distracted with material things and more unified with the outside world making them more curious. This curiosity fueled their learning, and this curiosity is missing today.

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  5. The song "Another Brick in the Wall" by Pink Floyd is very symbolic in the fact of how some people view education. This is sometimes because of how the educational material is being taught. The teachers sometimes dissuade students from being eager to learn by being overly strict and limiting the students' creativity. All the students are just "another brick in the wall" to some teachers. This feeling can also originate from the students. Some students do not care to learn, or be well educated. This makes them, in their own minds, "another brick in the wall." Education should be a practice of constant discovery. All people should be eager to learn, and if we don't we will struggle in life. No one person should be above education. Will Durant once stated that "education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." This is very true because we learn new things everyday whether we know it or not. To be ignorant is a dangerous state because it is ignorance that causes many serious problems in this world. The overall message of Pink Floyd's song can be summed up as education should remain interesting and more or less self driven, not forceful. It should be something every person enjoys in their own way some, students and teachers alike. Education is the most important aspect humanity has been given. If we remain ignorant, or force others to learn in a way that pushes them away from intelligence, and brews ignorance within them, we are hurting the present and future of humanity. Everyone needs education, people need to understand that if they resent it they are hurting themselves. People also need to understand that if we force education on others we brew ignorance because we build up a resent to authority which makes others suffer when they really may like education, just not how it is being taught. Education is a great thing, and "Another Brick in the Wall" states what education should not be. Pink Floyd conveyed a great message through the creation of this song.

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    1. Education is extremely important as you say because we learn may new things each day. These aspects can be used in our lives for future aspirations. Humanity will depend on how we use our education and if it is ignored, problems will be much harder to solve. It is easier when education is not forced and can be made enjoyable, but some aspects of education are not enjoyable. Those are some of the aspects that are the most important to our lives.

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    2. Nathan , I noticed how you described "another brick in the wall" as relating to students in the classroom. That was very interesting to me because I did not see it in that same way. I actually related it to the teachers instead of the students. The teachers threw many challenges and a great deal of stress toward the students causing them to struggle in their studies. So I found that the teachers would most likely relate to the bricks that add up all the obstacles in the students lives.

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    3. I agree that how people view education is totally up to someone's point of view or age, it just varies, plain and simple. Allowing people to be self-driven does have innumerable advantages but it all depends on the person. Some may abuse that power and use it to their overall lazy advantage.

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    4. I do believe that it is important for the success of humanity that people grow up being taught what is known today. To make your argument better, I would better state what you think education is and if it is essential. Could we rather learn by example or an apprenticeship? All of this depends on what you think education is.

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  6. Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" is expressing that education is the same senseless information for all. The school children in the video look to be uniform and brainwashed. It was as though they are all the same person. This just simply is not the case. "Education is learning what you didn't know you didn't know." Each student can take the information they learn in school and apply it to their own lives in their owns ways. Education provides us with the necessary tools to figure out the problems we encounter throughout our life. Education is what allows one to express themselves. One may learn from people such as the ideas of the past presidents or philosophers such as Aristotle or Plato, but that does not mean that one must conform to their ideas completely. One must collect information from those before them to make up their mind about what they think. One also learn from experience which happens when entering into the real world where are parents are not always there to help us. One is educated from those who understand certain material better than another person. In this case, teachers are the ones with the better understanding which they, in turn, impart onto the students. The students can then use the information that they are taught throughout their life. To take this idea back to the basics, if education was not provided to the people, how would one learn how to simply tie a shoe? It would eventually be figured out by some people, but in order for everyone to know it must be taught. Now to heighten this idea. If one was not taught how to work through simple math problems how would this person be able to become and engineer who would need complex math skills? To add to this concept, what if a doctor could not locate the appendix when performing an appendectomy because he never learned? It is through education that one can become a engineer or doctor. If no person received an education how can this information be attained? There are many things I have learned in school that I did not even know existed. The song also continues to say "We don't need no thought control." Memorization of certain facts in school is not the worst thing. The memorization of multiplication tables and grammar rules facilitates a person when the problem is ready to be solved. It is just the first step to understanding. This background information allows a person to easily see the bigger picture. I believe this is what education will provide if the student is willing to listen.

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    1. I think you could also say that we would not have doctors or engineers if there was not a system of education. And with out these people, our world would be a different place without any healthcare or fancy buildings or cars. Yes, people might learn things, but if we were still cave men we would not really know that wheel was important and pass it on to new generations.

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    2. I would not necessarily say that the education is senseless information, but rather I think the way the material is being offered toward the students is what seems to be the problem. The teachers are teaching what they need to teach to the students, but are failing at giving a clear message. Their approach is all wrong and is causing this mass disaster of unmotivated students.

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    3. You state in your blog that education is needed to be a doctor or engineer, this is absolutely true because I would not want a doctor with no education operating on me. Although I will say that education is absolutely nessessary as you said, but strict direction on education inhibits creativity. Inventors did not invent something without thinking outside standards and sometimes breaking rules. This just needs to be clear. I do agree though that the inventor would need education to invent his invention. I just do not believe in strict standards, I just think towards letting people be free and creative. This is where the best minds come from.

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  7. Pop culture seems to many to be a non influential or important aspect of life. It is simply an area of life to seek emotion in a manner that requires little to no logic or reason. Pink Floyd's famous song, "Another Brick in the Wall" is a prime example of to how this is false. Their song has a very deep meaning that still poses questions about education today. This very song is the topic of my blog this week.
    In listening to the song many ideas and different kinds of emotion came to my mind and heart. What was their band trying to explain? What is so wrong with modern education? Through some digging in the quote list we were given, I think I found the quote that explains it all. This quote stated by the highly educated British historian, Mandell Creighton, goes as follows, "The one real object of education is to have a man in the condition of continually asking questions." This idea, this essential idea should always be the basis for a fulfilling and wholesome education. I think the message that Pink Floyd was trying to convey in their song is that modern education has lost this sense of inquiry and curiosity not by any fault of the students but by the way subjects are taught in schools in today's world. In the modern educational systems, students are expected to believe everything they are given and to not question anything about the information. They are to simply receive the information given by the teacher and to memorize that information so they can regurgitate it on a test they will be presented with in a week or two. The student never becomes one with the information because they don't care because it is forced upon them. Each student is to be the same as everyone else. There is no room for individuality or creativity in any of our modern schooling. This is the message I think Pink Floyd is trying to reveal to the world, and I agree. There needs to be a change in our education. A change that will not only bring out more effort in each student but a change that will grant the world with more curious individuals. This is a change that could only benefit the world and future generations. For all these reason, this is why I believe this quote was so effective. Once a student feels the same as everyone, once he/she loses that sense of curiosity, learning becomes a forced process that no one would want to take part in. For I argue, it is solely curiosity that fuels learning. Without curiosity there is no drive, there is no want to improve the mind. This is what I believe the band conveyed so effectively in their song.

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    1. To bettter describe your argument I would change your statements to make them show what modern education is lacking. It does not allow for individualism, creativity, or open mindedness.

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      Modern education has lost that creativity, but in he video, it never really showed the students losing their creativity. It was forced out of them, as they were on that conveyer belt and having the masks on. I agree with your presentation of this song and the flawed American education systems.

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  9. In Pink Floyd's musical piece "Just Another Brick in the Wall", I found that the message that spoke most strongly to me was the enforcement of uniformity. While the teenage side of me yearned to wholly agree with the overdramatized version of the message embedded within the tune, I must also appeal to the logical side of this subject. So, what better way to analyze schooling than using my own life as an example? First of all, it can be deciphered that we are collectively sheltered from the whole truth as children, no matter what environment one might grow up in. As we grow, we chip away bigger and clearer pieces of the big picture we always thought we knew, when in all actuality we knew little whatsoever. Why is this relevant to education? The answer is simple. Without some type of formal education, an individual would go through life surrounded in a cloud of their own ignorance. As Will Durant once stated, "education is the progressive discovery of our own ignorance", and as a student I don't believe this fact could've been stated any clearer. Yes, as learning young minds we do sacrifice a minuscule piece of our individualism as we become more educated, but the reward far exceeds the price. In order to move forward in life, we must accept that certain facts will always remain facts. In other words, you cannot change concrete ideas about life, so of course some people we accumulate similar information as they move forward. Not everyone is an original, not all can become an Albert Einstein or Beyoncé. Although, what we can do is accept that in order to fit into today's puzzle of a society we must make sacrifices, however great. Uniformity is only put into place for the good of common man, it provides a safety blanket in a adult life of immense uncertainty. So when you're walking into a meeting and all else fails to aid you, you have your manners, correct posture, the right attire, or even the proper "bs" skills we all seem to know and love. In a similar sense, our progress as human beings does not continue in neat little spurts. We're spontaneous, we learn at different rates and understand at different rates. As William Butler Yeats once said, "education is not filling a pail but lighting a fire". One student may prefer to spark their flame with a match, others with a lighter, or maybe the old fashioned fellow would like a good ol' stick of flint and steel. As an swiftly advancing generation, we vary, but that doesn't mean we can't all learn and gain the same properties from different methods.

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    1. Alicia,
      Stating something you didn't like about the song was a smart move, it shows that you are not just agreeing and doing what everyone else is doing... just like what the song is telling us

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    2. I agree that Uniformity is useful in some instances, but uniformity compounded upon it's becomes a problem. If everything is uniform the world would become a dictatorship. We need to remain conservative with uniformity while incorporating it into aspects of life in a healthy way. Too much as with many things is problematic. There is a true beauty to uniformity when it is controlled.

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  10. The video and song "AnotherBbrick in The Wall" is a strong and meaningful message. One main reason for this is that one child wants to write poetry but the teacher refuses to except this and only teaches what he wants. It may not have been the right class to express a love for poetry but the teacher did not need to deny it totally and close his imagination. One large problem with education is that does not allow for much individualized learning and does not fit the best interests of students. Finley Peter Dunne said "It doesn't make much difference what you study, as long as you don't like it." This quote is picking fun at education and how it works. Not only are students sometimes taught what they don't want to learn but also things that they don't need to learn. Education should be about giving students knowledge and ability to secure a career later in life. In a lot of schools all around the world, students are being taught and tested on the wrong type of information. How can the youth be expected to over take and support the current generation if they are not being educated correctly. If you don't look at Dunnes quote literally, you can see it as way of saying education is set up wrong. It always seems like we don't want to learn what we are learning about because it does not highlight our interests. Fixing this problem would be a very hard and impossible task. I do not have the answer to a "Perfect" education and neither does anyone else but this does not go to say that small things can be changed over time and the results can be considered. After a while long term changes can be made to improve overall education. With all of this in mind, we may not be able to change education but we definitely need it and it is essential, so maybe it can be changed rather than fixed. A seemingly impossible task can be lessened by the cooperation and support of all people, students and teachers alike.

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    1. I'd like to start my comment by stating a quote by Bill Beattie. He says, "The aim of education should be to teach us rather how to think, than what to think — rather to improve our minds, so as to enable us to think for ourselves, than to load the memory with thoughts of other men." I completely agree with your statements about the loss of individualism. That is what is wrong with our schools there is no room for creativity, and it is damaging the minds of the modern student. Although I agree with most of what you said, I believe you are incorrect about it being the teacher's fault. I believe it is forced upon them by faulty curriculums which damage their logic as well as that of the students.

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  11. The song lyrics alone are enough to show that there is something wrong with our education system, but add in watching the music video, then one has a full understanding of the corrupt ways the American school system is. “Too often we give children answers to remember rather than problems to solve.” Why would one only remember the answer? This is backwards and thus, it would be out of context and the student would not know when to use the answer. In this situation, if the child would then once they get out of the semi sheltered form of school to the real world and were presented with a problem, how would they solve it? They know the answer, the answer that has been spoon fed to them since they could talk. The reason for this abominable way of thinking is because the schools would rather have perfect test scores rather than a well-functioning human being. A human being that is able to think for themselves, one that can reason and rationalize for themselves in real life situations. That is, if the students live past the dark treacherous stage of life called high school, where dreams and innocence come to die. In this video, one sees the appalling effects of what happens when you don’t let kids use their creativity. They become monotone and all the same, then never want to come to school, never want to learn. We need a system that will make the kids want to create, not to destroy. Depression, anxiety, and suicide rates are at an all-time high, but all schools do for them is add to the stress load, telling them to do more out of class activities, forcibly making them be well rounded students. But can they really be well rounded people when they are hiding their arms, not being able to eat because of a huge assignment coming up, losing sleep and motivation to do anything? Schools refuse to acknowledge this, making the stress worse. Those who do not struggle with this can unintentionally make fun of those who are struggling, but also just not understand, which can be the worst thing for someone who is looking for someone to understand them and not make them feel like an outsider. If students were taught about this problem in school they would be able to find the answers for themselves, not just given the answer of “Just be happy,” or “Stop worrying,” as that will obviously help. They need to learn that it is ok to not be ok, that other people know and are able to help. Tying this in with the music video, schools need to be more caring for their students and their needs, however pressing they are, otherwise, one day the school will be in flames, by means of the students pulling together. The one good thing about this video that is different than the real world is that the students were all being put through the same thing, but this was all in the boys head. He was seeing it as the students banding together, over throwing the school together. In reality, it was just him thinking that, as the teacher and other students laughed at him.

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